My Altercation with Hannah Smart
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Derek Smart
9 July at 17:55 ·
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I rarely comment on the cruel nature of two of my children stopping us from seeing our grandchildren, but I feel Kay’s pain, along with my own, on mile stone events during the year. Today is one of those dates. It is Kay’s baby boys birthday. She had a tough time giving birth to Elliott and had to conclude that he was to be our last spirit to bring to earth. He had always been my best friend. She pretty much spoilt him and then, out of the blue, and with no genuine reason, he excluded us from his family, which may have been a copycat thing as his eldest brother did exactly the same. It is an act of cruelty and a direct contradiction to the commandment of loving one and honouring your mother and your father, which used to have a minimum consequences of stopping you from taking the sacrament or going to the temple as it makes a mockery of the commandments of God. at the very least. That has not stopped them though. Maybe they have a special dispensation. But Kay could not go to church today as she was upset about not knowing why he has excluded us, and 2 of his brothers and sister from his family. Maybe his wife has the problem with us so has caused the exclusion. Some women who were raised differently to others do not like it to change. The same could be the same with Derek. I love Kay with all of my heart and mind and soul. She is my Raison Detra but i would not exclude her from seeing or having offered relationship with her mother. But that is our lot. I have offered my Olive Branch’s for doing nothing and they have cordially given it back to me, along with the birthday cards and presents we sent them. We do not do that anymore. But it has pissed me off to hear Kay crying in her bedroom because of the cruel nature of her son and the refusal for her to see her grandchildren, not forgetting that his wife has a calling in the church teaching our children, is this a part of her curriculum. Exclude thy parents from your life. Because my grandchildren have been taught well, they rarely talk to us because they are not allowed to and when the do they are constantly looking around to see if there parents are looking. It is not right that a woman of nearly 70 should be kept away from her grandchildren and for those grandchildren to be brain washed to think we are bad people. We are not and we love our grandchildren so give Kay, at least, back her right to be with her grandchildren.
Hannah Smart First Contact 9th July
I simply cannot just sit around and watch you continually spread false information about myself and Elliott anymore. Your victim complex is becoming intolerable. I have an album in my phone with over 40 screenshots of abusive messages that you have solely sent to me. This doesn’t even include the ones you’ve sent directly to Elliott or his siblings. If you’d like me to share a specific screen shot of a message that you sent to Elliott stating that from that time forward, you were denying him access to yourself and Kay I can? Or would you like to keep on trying to convince everyone that you are simply the victim here?
Never once have I denied my children the opportunity to speak to you. At that time Isaac brought Kay a picture he drew in church. That was because I suggested she might like it. The times they brought mothers and Father’s Day tokens from primary directly to you? That was because I told them to. So, if you could stop lying about me that would be grand. Last year Elliott was holding our baby in the corridor, and you approached him simply to have a go at him, Infront of everyone might I add. Did you even try talking to the baby that you imply you miss so much? No, you didn’t. Because your priority has always been to be right.
Do we allow you in our house? No. We do not. Because you have proven time and time again just how toxic you can be. I added you on Facebook over Christmas last year. Do you know why? Because it was Christmas and it made me sad that we couldn’t have everyone together. And I thought, maybe since you’d been coming to church maybe you had been trying to be better. So, I added you and had a check to see if you had written any of your lovely statuses about us. And you hadn’t! So, I thought that was it. We could reach out to you. Then you behaved Infront of your other grandchildren the way you did on Boxing Day. Then you sent those long abusive messages you like to your other children. Then came the statuses, now that you knew I could see them. The abuse. The victim complexes. And you proved to me one more time that you had not changed at all. So, no. You are not welcome in our lives. Neither is your influence. Now you can say that goes against the church doctrine but for one, I frankly do not care. We will not allow are children to experience how toxic you can be. And for two, elder Holland recently said that forgiving someone does not require you to allow someone back into your life, should that open you up to receiving abuse again.
Now you can complain that Elliott doesn’t speak to Steven, but have you complained to Steven that he was the one who blocked Elliott and cut him out? Don’t think so. You can complain that we don’t send Alma a birthday card, but will you complain to Donny that he’s never sent any of our children a birthday card? Don’t think so. The thing is, you are a massive narcissist with a raging personality disorder. And unless someone is doing exactly what you want them to, and how you want them to do it, then you see them as being against you. You recruit your little flying monkeys to validate your actions and behavior and carry out your tasks and only those free from your cloud can see it. Cutting you out of lives is not an attack on you, but self-preservation for us.
You can blame me, you can blame the way I was raised, you can blame everyone and everything you want but the reality is that YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. Don’t act like the victim just because you don’t like the consequences of those actions.
Hannah Smart I do not know how to answer you. You are so rude and unkind. You seem unaware of the entire Plan of Salvation. Most of it is outright lies and exaggerations. To answer your wild claims and exaggerations would render me as bad as the words you write. You accuse me of so much drivel whilst you send me a letter full of jealousy and hatred. I am a very sick man the reasons of which is, in no small part, yours. You carelessly sin knowing the potential consequences that put my grandchildren at risk. You are putting your marriage at risk by making Elliott choose between his parents or you. You need professional help that is way beyond anything that I am capable of. I am too old and sick for this. I have Alzheimer so I will someday forget who you all are and the pain that you seem to like to inflict upon me will become ineffective. Nothing that we have done to you warrants the sinful treatment you have subjected us to. We helped you and Elliott out so much and this is how you reward us, with animosity and resentment. You both cannot comprehend that what you are doing is a sin before God and you partake of the Sacrament? My time is short, so you win.
Matthew 15:4
For God said [through Moses], ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF or INSULTS or TREATS IMPROPERLY FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.’
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another
Matt 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses
Hannah Smart
Derek Smart the fact you think people aren’t completely aware of EXACTLY how you are is ridiculous. You are so self-obsessed it’s unreal. Not one time have I made Elliott choose between me or you. Every single time you’ve fallen out it’s been me that has encouraged him to reach back out to you. And over the last two years I’ve brought the subject up multiple times, asking whether or not he thinks he should at the very least text his mum. But no. He does not want to. Because thanks to your years and years of abuse he cannot be around his mum. Because of you. It’s literally all you and you don’t even see it. Church is completely irrelevant. Get off your high horse because you were running the church down all over Facebook not that long ago. Stop being a gigantic hypocrite and act like an actual parent.
Derek Smart
How cruel is it to have our grandson baptized in a clandestine baptism without telling his grandparents. What type of person does that? A Hypocrite?
Derek Smart Elias didn’t want you there! 🤣 It was nothing to do with secrecy! If you even knew the boy you would understand why it was done so quietly 🤣 again, take Elias’ day and make it about YOU. Just like you did with Elliott’s birthday. All about you all the time. The most self obsessed person i have ever known and I’m literally not sitting around tolerating you constantly attacking us with your lies on Facebook. You’re acting like the victim again (surprise surprise) on a status that was written by you attacking us! 🤣🤣 shape up mun
Derek Smart
No i do not know him, you kept him from us for three years
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· Derek Smart
· Be very careful with your accusations about abuse, I will use it as evidence against you. None of my children have ever been abused. You confuse the church with my personal spirituality. I strive to keep every single commandment, as you should, you just choose not to, which is your right.
· Hannah Smart
· Derek Smart yeah go ahead, gaslight me and their experiences. Your just proving my point.
· Derek Smart
· You are so predictable that I am waiting for you to block me when you realize that you are in the wrong
· Hannah Smart
· Derek Smart the amount of introspection and therapy you require is honestly insane.
· Derek Smart
· I have Alzheimer.
· Hannah Smart
· Derek Smart for five minutes. I’ve watched my grandfather disappear with his dementia for 2 years. Stop playing the victim. Accept fault!
· Derek Smart
· I do accept fault. it was people like you and Elliott
· Derek Smart
· wow what a conscientious LDS you are Love one another.
· Hannah Smart
· Nothing I have said is wrong and I will stand by that til the end of time. The fact that you haven’t actually addressed anything that I have said to you, just goes to show how bad your ego is. You have children that are actually hurting. Children that are in pain when they reflect on everything you’ve put them through, and everything you’ve said to them. Vile vile things. And all you care about is being right. What kind of parent are you? If Elliott ever treated any of my boys, the way you have treated your children he would be straight out of our lives mun. You are right though; you don’t have years and years left. Maybe it’s time you took a minute to self reflect, take some accountability and apologize to the people you have hurt
· Derek Smart
· I have 4 wonderful children, who love me very much and realise that we were children having children. I was not perfect but I am a dam site better then you.
Hannah Smart
Derek Smart you have children who tolerate you for their mothers sake
Derek Smart
Hannah Smart I Don’t
Derek Smart
You are superior at displaying a nasty hurtful mouth
Hannah Smart
Derek Smart thank you very much. Must have been the way I was raised
Derek Smart
Stephen just disagreed with you, oh so did Donny, there you are. you lie again. naughty naughty.
Derek Smart yes of course. That’s me in my place 🤣 Steven is so blinded by your narcissism that my heart actually breaks for him.
Derek Smart
No it is not how you were raised I am just more civil than you. You really should consider who is watching this. You have to face these people and me and my wife in the morning.
Derek Smart and I will walk around with my head held high thank you sir. It’s about time someone defended themselves against you. And you just don’t like it.
Derek Smart
You know nothing about me or how well liked I am but tell me is that what perspective LDS want to hear from a member of the church who teaches our children. Will people want to leave their children with the likes of you. I think not.
Derek Smart and maybe one day they will forgive you when you actually accept and acknowledge the things you’ve done wrong and sincerely apologize for them. I don’t know why you keep hiding behind the church 🤦🏼♀️ accept fault mum. You have and are continuing to hurt people while blaming others. Forgiveness isn’t a black and white decision, it’s a process one that you aren’t aiding when you are still continually running your children down all over the internet. Honestly, I’d love nothing more than for everyone to actually sit in a room together and it not be hostile but it’s never going to be until you can take accountability for your actions and try to rectify the pain you’ve caused.
Derek Smart
Would you mind if I cut and paste this to show to the bishop. I do not mind. My words are polit ·
Hannah Smart
Derek Smart still threatening and not addressing your faults then? 🤣🤣 be my guest because as it stands I’ve already screenshotted everything to add to what he already has seen. So he will be seeing it all either way. Along with everything else he has already seen.
Derek Smart That should be fun because there is nothing that belongs to me that is derogatory to me. I have no fear of any screenshot that is connected to me.
Derek Smart
Why not print it right here right now instead of blackmailing me. I have been told so many times of how much of a good father I am and always have been.
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Derek Smart
tell me, is the condition that Elias has be contributed to bad parenting like you accused me of. Just saying ·
Derek Smart how am I blackmailing you? I’ve already posted the one here of you saying that Steven was going to come up and give Elliott a ‘thrashing’ and that you were cutting him out of his life. In order to blackmail you I would have to want something from you. Other than you stopping your lies I literally want nothing from you
Derek Smartand i have already adequately answered it
Steven Smart Hannah Smart why am I being mentioned here? Can you not bring my name into this please Hannah. People may think I was going to give elliott some kind of thrashing which I would never do!
Steven Smart it wasn’t me that said you were going to
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Steven Smart Hannah Smart yes, I know but can you not mention me anymore please. I just wanted to get the record straight.
Derek Smart
Hannah Smart No but you tried to sully my good name with it, didn’t you
Hannah Smart
Derek Smart he says on a status where he was running his own sons name down 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤔🤔🤔🤔
Steven Smart no problem. Hope you’re alright
Steven Smart Hannah Smart thank you. is there any way you 2 could patch things up please, it’s killing him, mum and me. I can’t believe how much this has been blown up. This conversation is a huge lack of the spirt in it, maybe you both could talk in person and sort things out in a good way?
Hannah Smart
Derek Smart no actually he has chronic separation and social anxiety and dislikes being away from us and around big groups or strangers. Thanks for asking though, that obviously came solely from a place of concern for the child 🙄
Derek Smart
Hannah Smart that tells me exactly what I need to know. Parenting
Derek Smart
Hannah Smart word are empty without proof and perspective, sorry do you understand that
Derek Smart So is your apology. Oh wait. You’ve never grown up enough to los the pride and give one
Derek Smart
Hannah Smart You would have never heard it as i have never been wrong with you
Derek Smart I don’t want your sorrys. But you owe them to Elliott. For the things you’ve made him do and see in his life and The things you’ve said to him.
Derek Smart
tell me, is the condition that Elias has be contributed to bad parenting like you accused me of. Just saying
We Did Our Best 